education, care and support. ♪ and aids... ♪ aids is going to lose. aids is going to lose. ♪ >>> roundtable time now. george will is off. glad to have cokie roberts here. also dan senor. steve rattner and two congressmen, congressman tom cole of oklahoma, also a member of the republican leadership, and keith ellison, chair of the progressive caucus. cokie, tim geithner said they're making progress. >> congressman cole does, too. >> i want to hear that. >> but it hasn't been a very encouraging week for people who think that the fiscal cliff is not something that we want to go over and i think that the president's proposal that was put on the table was something that republicans were not going to accept, even close to accept, so it had the air of bizarre. you know, bargaining. but put a really high price out there so that when you start the negotiating -- >> when will the real negotiating begin? congressman cole? >> i want to thank the president and secretary geithner for reuniting and re-energizing the republican caucus. because that offer -- they mu